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I'm sure the Cubs are loaded with top of the line minor league prospects. There's never been a time I can remember when they weren't. We can go back to the days when Glen Hobbie, Dick Drott and Moe Drabowsky were going to dominate the National League for years to come.

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I'm sure the Cubs are loaded with top of the line minor league prospects. There's never been a time I can remember when they weren't.


:? Have you been hanging out at leash's house?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I'm sure the Cubs are loaded with top of the line minor league prospects. There's never been a time I can remember when they weren't. .

1980-2000?

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In 67 pro games, Schwarber has batted .354/.444/.671 with 18 home runs and 52 RBIs.


Average prospect.
Don't get me wrong. You are free to think that the Cubs have 15 awesome prospects. They might.

Just be willing to own it and don't be shocked when that is the perception.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I'm sure the Cubs are loaded with top of the line minor league prospects. There's never been a time I can remember when they weren't. .

1980-2000?


1970-1980?

2000-2012?

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Having a bunch of highly ranked prospects usually means you end up with a decent team (Royals now, Brewers of early 07-10, Cubs in the early 00's, but then you gotta make it a championship team and few do



Still, bettter than the days of Vitters and Simpson

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I'm sure the Cubs are loaded with top of the line minor league prospects. There's never been a time I can remember when they weren't. .

1980-2000?


1970-1980?

2000-2012?

They were highly ranked from 2000-2003

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having a lot of top ranked prospects is preferable to not having a lot of top ranked prospects.


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Having a bunch of highly ranked prospects usually means you end up with a decent team (Royals now, Brewers of early 07-10, Cubs in the early 00's, but then you gotta make it a championship team and few do
Well yeah.

However, Kirkwood seems to be the champion of "See how good this guy is!" now. Then again, if I embarrassed myself like he did in the Rizzo thread I'd be bumping other posts a lot too.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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In 67 pro games, Schwarber has batted .354/.444/.671 with 18 home runs and 52 RBIs.


Average prospect.
Don't get me wrong. You are free to think that the Cubs have 15 awesome prospects. They might.

Just be willing to own it and don't be shocked when that is the perception.


When what is the perception?

There really isn't much debate about whether these guys are awesome prospects. They are - unless your definition of awesome is "sure-fire Hall of Famer".

They are performing at a level in the minors that should project to top-line starters/potential All-Stars. Those would be awesome prospects.

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I doubt 1.000 OPS's in A-ball translate to All-Star in the Majors.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I'm sure the Cubs are loaded with top of the line minor league prospects. There's never been a time I can remember when they weren't. .

1980-2000?


I believe greats like Gary Scott, Corey Patterson, and many others fall within that time frame. I am sure there are many I am forgetting, just as in twenty years I have little doubt at least a few from the Soler, Schwarber, Russell, Baez, Bryant group will be forgotten.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
When what is the perception?

There really isn't much debate about whether these guys are awesome prospects. They are - unless your definition of awesome is "sure-fire Hall of Famer".

They are performing at a level in the minors that should project to top-line starters/potential All-Stars. Those would be awesome prospects.
There were plenty of times in the past where saying "Cubbie Nation thinks they have 4-5 top-line/potential all-stars just waiting to come up to the major league team" got a response that we were making things up.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Having a bunch of highly ranked prospects usually means you end up with a decent team (Royals now, Brewers of early 07-10, Cubs in the early 00's, but then you gotta make it a championship team and few do
Well yeah.

However, Kirkwood seems to be the champion of "See how good this guy is!" now. Then again, if I embarrassed myself like he did in the Rizzo thread I'd be bumping other posts a lot too.

I am. They're doing very well and I'm excited.

Actually it was the Hahn vision thread. And I've yet to receive an answer for what Hahn's vision is. Theo has made his clear.


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Actually it was the Hahn vision thread. And I've yet to receive an answer for what Hahn's vision is. Theo has made his clear.
Was it you or IMU who predicted that Abreu would soon be playing in Japan?

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I'm sure the Cubs are loaded with top of the line minor league prospects. There's never been a time I can remember when they weren't. .

1980-2000?


1970-1980?

2000-2012?

They were highly ranked from 2000-2003


That was just because they had Patterson and then Prior very highly ranked.

They were not "loaded with top of the line minor league prospects".

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"loaded" implies there are more than one or two, Joe.

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I doubt 1.000 OPS's in A-ball translate to All-Star in the Majors.



Ofcourse not...but he's loaded with talent n potential ...lets see what he does next year in Aa or AAA .

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Ofcourse not...but he's loaded with talent n potential ...lets see what he does next year in Aa or AAA .


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I'm sure the Cubs are loaded with top of the line minor league prospects. There's never been a time I can remember when they weren't. .

1980-2000?


I believe greats like Gary Scott, Corey Patterson, and many others fall within that time frame. I am sure there are many I am forgetting, just as in twenty years I have little doubt at least a few from the Soler, Schwarber, Russell, Baez, Bryant group will be forgotten.

I counted Patterson for 2000 but make it 96 and later

But before that, there was not much. They were notoriously bad at drafting. The fact that the Tribune owned them and wrote love letter articles about guys having good spring training's (Gary Scott) doesnt mean they were actually top of the line.


And yeah, some and likely most of the prospects wont be stars. Thats ok.

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I doubt 1.000 OPS's in A-ball translate to All-Star in the Majors.


That's why they are awesome prospects - not awesome major-league All-Stars.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Actually it was the Hahn vision thread. And I've yet to receive an answer for what Hahn's vision is. Theo has made his clear.
Was it you or IMU who predicted that Abreu would soon be playing in Japan?

I believe IMU said that and I agreed. :lol:


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They are performing at a level in the minors that should project to top-line starters/potential All-Stars. .


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Hatchetman wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
They are performing at a level in the minors that should project to top-line starters/potential All-Stars. .


It should. If a guy is ripping up his Minor League level, he would project to be one of the better players of his class.

He may end up sucking.

However, if the Cubs don't get a solid core of starters with a couple All-Stars out of this group of 8-12 prospects, they really just have some bad luck.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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They are performing at a level in the minors that should project to top-line starters/potential All-Stars. .


It should. If a guy is ripping up his Minor League level, he would project to be one of the better players of his class.

He may end up sucking.

And what if he does? WHAT THEN? :twisted: :twisted:

You will have been excited about a prospect who busted out!!

After that, Im pretty sure the reasonable and honorable thing to do is kill yourself.

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Just looked up Schwarber, Soler, and Bryant's stats this year combined.

Combined, those guys are hitting .340 with 75 HRs, and 214 RBIs in 259 games.

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looks like Ron Kittle's stats at AAA Denver. :lol:


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And what if he does? WHAT THEN? :twisted: :twisted:

You will have been excited about a prospect who busted out!!


I'll survive. I have lived through it before.

I've never lived through being excited about 10 prospects who all busted out. Hide the knives then.

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I just struggle to understand what's the issue with being excited for these prospects. Theo has tanked the team to the past 3 years to accrue minor leaguers. They better be kick ass. Our success is dependent on these guys.

I don't buy that the Cubs will be FA players. Our stingy owner is too cheap to pay for extra guys to push a tarp for goodness sakes.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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In 67 pro games, Schwarber has batted .354/.444/.671 with 18 home runs and 52 RBIs.


Average prospect.


The best from the class are already in AAA

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