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I think literally the only person to think Reinsdorf's hatchet job on Thibs was 'diplomatic'

https://twitter.com/dan_bernstein/statu ... 8063587328

It's for the best there's no show today. Shots fired up the dial -> https://twitter.com/ESPN1000/status/603986712382074880

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Somewhat related, I'd love to see a detailed rating breakdown of Sox games and the $ they get from advertising during it as compared to their regular lineup.

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Here's Señor to give today's news the adverbs it needed.

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What mattered was who was speaking and that it was official comment on team letterhead.

This wasn’t information uncovered by reporters from one side of the conflict or the other or a friendly proxy with a microphone taking potshots. This was the Bulls chairman himself laying wood to a coach after he was fired, showing lock-step support of his management. Anybody assuming that Jerry Reinsdorf wanted to play peacemaker for the cold war between Tom Thibodeau and his bosses is now disabused of that fanciful notion after Thibodeau was fired by the organization on Thursday.

Uncharacteristic bluntness was everywhere in Reinsdorf’s long and detailed statement that reinforced the need for a properly functioning workplace — something impossible when involving the obsessive, compulsive, uncommunicative, often paranoid Thibodeau.

“There must be free and open interdepartmental discussion and consideration of everyone’s ideas and opinions,” Reinsdorf said. “These internal discussions must not be considered an invasion of turf, and must remain private.

“When everyone is on the same page, trust develops and teams can grow and succeed together. Unfortunately, there was a departure from this culture. To ensure that the Chicago Bulls can continue to grow and succeed, we have decided that a change in the head coaching position is required.”

The typical language for such a common move, this was not.

Nor was the decision particularly difficult. After five seasons that made Thibodeau the longest-tenured NBA coach without a title, it was clearly time for him to go. Playoffs matter more than games in January, long-term health merits attention and care, offense matters as much or more now than defense and players should never be avoiding their own practice facility because they feel suffocated by their coach.

Thibodeau’s Bulls run ended with a desultory season marked by inexplicable losses to bad teams, and with a playoff path finally gifted to them by the good fortune of injuries, the team responded by quitting meekly in the biggest game yet, a Game 6 blowout loss to Cleveland in the Eastern Conference semifinals. It was an inecxusable embarrassment that resonated badly in the hallways of team offices, all the way up.

This didn’t come from executive vice president John Paxson, general manager Gar Forman or even increasingly involved chief operating officer Michael Reinsdorf. The mere fact that Jerry Reinsdorf is the one providing the commentary is meaningful, but the fact that it’s so pointed tells us just how bad things became. He doesn’t do this unless he feels he or the organization was somehow wronged in a way that deserves public rebuke.

The last time Reinsdorf even came close to something like this was upon the sour departure of Horace Grant in 1994, after which Reinsdorf openly accused Grant of backing out of a deal and of sitting out games in “blue flu” protest.

“I believe we failed to achieve the best record in the Eastern Conference because we lost the games that Horace failed to play,” Reinsdorf said then. “I think you might conclude that he cost us the championship.”

Until now, that was the only time Reinsdorf seemed so motivated to slam a door like this.

His message Thursday was simple and a long time coming for a coach whose game-planning and tactical skills were eventually overcome by his quixotic stubbornness, territorial neuroses and socialization problems.

The very top of the Bulls organization has had enough.

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I think somebody's gonna get called to the principal's office this afternoon!

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Paxson is a hell of a lot better at this than the mumbling bumbling let's look at my essay of notes Gar Foreman.


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I think somebody's gonna get called to the principal's office this afternoon!


BREAKING: loud voices in important offices heard prevailing in Two Prudential

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:lol: Way back machine.

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JVG speaks for himself. But can't emphasize enough how much his Jan. comments angered Reinsdorf, previously an oasis for Thibodeau.


Jeff Van Gundy is a spreader of pernicious myths!

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:lol: Way back machine.

I do a killer Kevin Matthews doing Ed Schwartz impression.

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Paxson is a hell of a lot better at this than the mumbling bumbling let's look at my essay of notes Gar Foreman.



Maybe because Pax is too much of a pussy to address anything.. Gar is doing all the answering .

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Paxson is a hell of a lot better at this than the mumbling bumbling let's look at my essay of notes Gar Foreman.



Maybe because Pax is too much of a pussy to address anything.. Gar is doing all the answering .


I must have been watching something different.


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I think somebody's gonna get called to the principal's office this afternoon!


BREAKING: loud voices in important offices heard prevailing in Two Prudential


No doubt Bernstein will call him into his office. In other words he'll kick Mitch out of Mitch's office to talk to Baldy McGrinky and give him a lesson.


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Baldy is wrong though. It was Thibs that undermined Paxon. The grabbing of Vinnie's tie? Ok. I guess Paxon will never live that down.


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JVG speaks for himself. But can't emphasize enough how much his Jan. comments angered Reinsdorf, previously an oasis for Thibodeau.


Jeff Van Gundy is a spreader of pernicious myths!


Go figure that KC is the guy with this info


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bernstein reporting that three Bulls starters said they would not come to practice facility over summer if Thibs was still the coach.

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JVG amuses me on the broadcasts. He can be funny and he knows the game. But that guy is a weaselly bitch.


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bernstein reporting that three Bulls starters said they would not come to practice facility over summer if Thibs was still the coach.


Then the PR release from Jerry was incorrect, or unnecessary?

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JVG speaks for himself. But can't emphasize enough how much his Jan. comments angered Reinsdorf, previously an oasis for Thibodeau.


Jeff Van Gundy is a spreader of pernicious myths!


so did KC report this at the time? Or is it another story that he only reports when management gives him the OK to do so?


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The very top of the Bulls organization has had enough. :roll:

IF this was true PAXSON WOULD NOT BE THERE!!!!


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Curious Hair wrote:
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JVG speaks for himself. But can't emphasize enough how much his Jan. comments angered Reinsdorf, previously an oasis for Thibodeau.


Jeff Van Gundy is a spreader of pernicious myths!


LOL, Notorious JVG calls out the media sycophants in Chicago.

https://soundcloud.com/the-stephen-a-sm ... smith-show

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:lol: Way back machine.

I do a killer Kevin Matthews doing Ed Schwartz impression.


YYYYYYES !!!!


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Here's Señor to give today's news the adverbs it needed.

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What mattered was who was speaking and that it was official comment on team letterhead.

This wasn’t information uncovered by reporters from one side of the conflict or the other or a friendly proxy with a microphone taking potshots. This was the Bulls chairman himself laying wood to a coach after he was fired, showing lock-step support of his management. Anybody assuming that Jerry Reinsdorf wanted to play peacemaker for the cold war between Tom Thibodeau and his bosses is now disabused of that fanciful notion after Thibodeau was fired by the organization on Thursday.

Uncharacteristic bluntness was everywhere in Reinsdorf’s long and detailed statement that reinforced the need for a properly functioning workplace — something impossible when involving the obsessive, compulsive, uncommunicative, often paranoid Thibodeau.

“There must be free and open interdepartmental discussion and consideration of everyone’s ideas and opinions,” Reinsdorf said. “These internal discussions must not be considered an invasion of turf, and must remain private.

“When everyone is on the same page, trust develops and teams can grow and succeed together. Unfortunately, there was a departure from this culture. To ensure that the Chicago Bulls can continue to grow and succeed, we have decided that a change in the head coaching position is required.”

The typical language for such a common move, this was not.

Nor was the decision particularly difficult. After five seasons that made Thibodeau the longest-tenured NBA coach without a title, it was clearly time for him to go. Playoffs matter more than games in January, long-term health merits attention and care, offense matters as much or more now than defense and players should never be avoiding their own practice facility because they feel suffocated by their coach.

Thibodeau’s Bulls run ended with a desultory season marked by inexplicable losses to bad teams, and with a playoff path finally gifted to them by the good fortune of injuries, the team responded by quitting meekly in the biggest game yet, a Game 6 blowout loss to Cleveland in the Eastern Conference semifinals. It was an inecxusable embarrassment that resonated badly in the hallways of team offices, all the way up.

This didn’t come from executive vice president John Paxson, general manager Gar Forman or even increasingly involved chief operating officer Michael Reinsdorf. The mere fact that Jerry Reinsdorf is the one providing the commentary is meaningful, but the fact that it’s so pointed tells us just how bad things became. He doesn’t do this unless he feels he or the organization was somehow wronged in a way that deserves public rebuke.

The last time Reinsdorf even came close to something like this was upon the sour departure of Horace Grant in 1994, after which Reinsdorf openly accused Grant of backing out of a deal and of sitting out games in “blue flu” protest.

“I believe we failed to achieve the best record in the Eastern Conference because we lost the games that Horace failed to play,” Reinsdorf said then. “I think you might conclude that he cost us the championship.”

Until now, that was the only time Reinsdorf seemed so motivated to slam a door like this.

His message Thursday was simple and a long time coming for a coach whose game-planning and tactical skills were eventually overcome by his quixotic stubbornness, territorial neuroses and socialization problems.

The very top of the Bulls organization has had enough.


Not one mention of the spectrum. Color me disappointed.

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Curious Hair wrote:
Here's Señor to give today's news the adverbs it needed.

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What mattered was who was speaking and that it was official comment on team letterhead.

This wasn’t information uncovered by reporters from one side of the conflict or the other or a friendly proxy with a microphone taking potshots. This was the Bulls chairman himself laying wood to a coach after he was fired, showing lock-step support of his management. Anybody assuming that Jerry Reinsdorf wanted to play peacemaker for the cold war between Tom Thibodeau and his bosses is now disabused of that fanciful notion after Thibodeau was fired by the organization on Thursday.

Uncharacteristic bluntness was everywhere in Reinsdorf’s long and detailed statement that reinforced the need for a properly functioning workplace — something impossible when involving the obsessive, compulsive, uncommunicative, often paranoid Thibodeau.

“There must be free and open interdepartmental discussion and consideration of everyone’s ideas and opinions,” Reinsdorf said. “These internal discussions must not be considered an invasion of turf, and must remain private.

“When everyone is on the same page, trust develops and teams can grow and succeed together. Unfortunately, there was a departure from this culture. To ensure that the Chicago Bulls can continue to grow and succeed, we have decided that a change in the head coaching position is required.”

The typical language for such a common move, this was not.

Nor was the decision particularly difficult. After five seasons that made Thibodeau the longest-tenured NBA coach without a title, it was clearly time for him to go. Playoffs matter more than games in January, long-term health merits attention and care, offense matters as much or more now than defense and players should never be avoiding their own practice facility because they feel suffocated by their coach.

Thibodeau’s Bulls run ended with a desultory season marked by inexplicable losses to bad teams, and with a playoff path finally gifted to them by the good fortune of injuries, the team responded by quitting meekly in the biggest game yet, a Game 6 blowout loss to Cleveland in the Eastern Conference semifinals. It was an inecxusable embarrassment that resonated badly in the hallways of team offices, all the way up.

This didn’t come from executive vice president John Paxson, general manager Gar Forman or even increasingly involved chief operating officer Michael Reinsdorf. The mere fact that Jerry Reinsdorf is the one providing the commentary is meaningful, but the fact that it’s so pointed tells us just how bad things became. He doesn’t do this unless he feels he or the organization was somehow wronged in a way that deserves public rebuke.

The last time Reinsdorf even came close to something like this was upon the sour departure of Horace Grant in 1994, after which Reinsdorf openly accused Grant of backing out of a deal and of sitting out games in “blue flu” protest.

“I believe we failed to achieve the best record in the Eastern Conference because we lost the games that Horace failed to play,” Reinsdorf said then. “I think you might conclude that he cost us the championship.”

Until now, that was the only time Reinsdorf seemed so motivated to slam a door like this.

His message Thursday was simple and a long time coming for a coach whose game-planning and tactical skills were eventually overcome by his quixotic stubbornness, territorial neuroses and socialization problems.

The very top of the Bulls organization has had enough.


Not one mention of the spectrum. Color me disappointed.


:lol: :lol: That's right, BernSTINE'S strange personal crusade against Thibs actually included calling him autistic!

Wow. He could be the leagues first autistic advanced scout!


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You know what? Due to the game I listened to ESPN today and I was just fine. I guess I might try that again? Hard to switch for me.

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You know what? Due to the game I listened to ESPN today and I was just fine. I guess I might try that again? Hard to switch for me.


I had this sick feeling too. W&S were even sort-of anti-Thibs as well. But they were reasonable (and had such discussions with not-terrible callers) and spoke their own mind instead of the B&B 'this is what's happening in the closed room that my guy is telling me, it's fact don't bother questioning it' nonsense.

Major problem though is that their personalities are like stale bread, B&B are a million times funnier when they're not infuriating corporate-asskissers

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those were good times

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:lol: Way back machine.

I do a killer Kevin Matthews doing Ed Schwartz impression.


It's Kevin Mathews doing Dahl doing Schwartz.

Kev didn't even know who Ed Schwartz was when he started doing the voice.

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Baldy is wrong though. It was Thibs that undermined Paxon. The grabbing of Vinnie's tie? Ok. I guess Paxon will never live that down.


should have been fired and would have been in EVERY organization

That can't happen. Vinny should have taken a good chunk of JR money for that incident

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Bernstein's big idea for the new Bulls coach (hey, I guess they call it 'the brief' for a reason...)

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/05/29/ ... ign=654961

Bench Hinrich, which is obvious, but he's a guy who is as much of an Paxson-Forman pet as anybody, then circumvent the CBA to get him to retire.

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